This is a very interesting topic because, usually when I see mile-long replies, they tend to make some sort of sense.
@IceBreaker420 I don’t see why you are so adamant to distinguish kitpvp players from prison players. If these were two different servers, sure, I could see how someone can make a mistake like that, but for someone who has been playing for “a long time” to assume that the most toxic of prison don’t usually come from kitpvp is sort of frightening. These are not two extremes. These are two sides of the same coin. If you were to talk this way about survival, sure, I could understand and probably agree with that, but not kitpvp.
Everything you said about prison in your 2nd paragraph can be applied to kitpvp though, can’t it? There may be less scamming and stealing, but there’s way more killing, and making allies on kitpvp puts you in much more of a favorable position than it does on prison. I agree to an extent, prison is intentionally moderated this way to seem more toxic. Kitpvp isn’t though, and its community still isn’t too far behind that of prison regarding toxicity.
A vast majority of people who enforce rules on prison enforce them on kitpvp too. Those are usually the same staff who don’t mute people that bypass chat filter. Prison is not “hell for anybody who isnt basically conditioned for it”. If you meant to say it sets a bad example for 7 year olds, then sure, I can agree with you on that, but anyone over that age usually knows how to act when they see something they don’t like in chat (ignoring people, turning chat off, completely leaving the server…). A change like this wouldn’t “significantly harm kitpvp”, and I’m going to elaborate on that at the end of this reply.
@Please_Ban_Me I agree with you on the likelihood of staff taking action to reduce the toxicity, but I don’t agree with everything you said. I don’t think removing kitpvp’s chat filter would make it “much worse”, and I believe that if you were to think about the idea for a moment yourself you would come to the same conflusion.
@CatTech very long reply!
For starters, what do you mean by “should be reversed”. I don’t see how adding a non-optional chat filter (instead of the current optional one) will drastically improve the situation? Of course, you never said it would drastically improve anything, but I’m assuming you meant so because it wouldn’t really make any sense for you to say that if you thought it would only make a slight change (which it will). You seem to be making the same mistake as ice breaker did earlier. Kitpvp has plenty of its own “toxic, immoral, garbage players” and it has a chat filter. You are assuming that all the big bads on munchy only come from and stay on prison. As I said earlier, a majority of prison’s toxicity comes from people who originally played kitpvp, and then shifted to prison either full-time or temporary. There is a difference between encouraging and allowing. If they gave out prizes for whoever said the most cuss words, that would be encouraging, but I don’t see that happening.
What do you mean by a “high high chat moderation”? Would you consider kitpvp’s current chat moderation to be just “high”? I’m glad you compared survival to prison for a change, because those are two gamemodes that actually have very different communities. Also, just because you’ve never seen something before, doesn’t automatically mean it’s a bad idea. I’ve never seen the concept of purgatory anywhere else, yet it seems to be a pretty good and fun concept.
Again, why do you so firmly believe that the main issue with munchy’s toxicity as a whole is the fact that prison is held to a lower standard. The first idea I come to when hearing this is that toxic people from prison may be spilling out onto other gamemodes, but we’ve already established that that isn’t the case with kitpvp, so how exactly do you think these low standards affect the entire server? I completely agree with your statement about staff members attempting to create a clean environment, the problem is I don’t think it’s ever going to happen. I believe the only people that will be affected “irl” by a more positive atmosphere are small children. Everyone over a certain age is already negatively affected by the fact that they can be considered “part” of this community because it usually means they spend hours of their time on here, which is not good.
What change do you propose to happen for map 9 regarding rules? Besides adding a chat filter (which will do nothing at all).
I think a lot of you have missed the entire point of this thread. The only thing it advocates for is giving an optional chat filter, like that of prison. You people are forgetting that swear words aren’t what reflects one’s toxicity. The most toxic phrases such as “end yourself” aren’t even filtered by chat. To top it all off, people bypass the filter on less than an hourly basis and you can rest assured that if they aren’t muted at that moment in time, they most likely never will be. The chance of this rises even more if staff are friendly with the person bypassing filter.
In conclusion: this is not a bad post, allowing cuss words won’t damage kitpvp any more than it’s already been damaged, if you want to fix the toxicity then focus on moderating actual toxic phrases and communication, not just swear words.
